[εις επαινον δοξης αυτου] New comment on Woship: What's the Issue?.
Matthew LaPine has left a new comment on your post "Woship: What's the Issue?":
That the message is discrete or subtle may, in fact, argue the case for the other side of the music debate.
As to this, I have never advocated a "music is neutral without the lyrics" position. My view is that the music either assists or detracts from the communicative ability of the lyrics. My overall point is that we should judge music by whether it promotes worship in spirit and in truth or whether it detracts. So the internal aspect is THE aspect.
You said: Nevertheless, I believe the means of worship is important as well and we should be careful to not only worship with a correct heart attitude, but in a correct manner as well.
My point is if music accomplishes A, that it has accomplished B already.
As to the art example, I reread the illustration and now I having trouble seeing the connection between what you said and what Ben said...
Also, as to authorial intention, I just don't see how that's a big issue. It's not very important for me to understand what Debussy meant when he wrote his music. By nature music without lyrics can communicate strong emotions but not much by way of propositions. One can be sad the Vikings lost and one can be sad over their sin. Perhaps the same song would express both their emotions appropriately without lyrics.
Enjoy for the discourse,
- Matt
Posted by Matthew LaPine to εις επαινον δοξης αυτου at 10:55 AM
That the message is discrete or subtle may, in fact, argue the case for the other side of the music debate.
As to this, I have never advocated a "music is neutral without the lyrics" position. My view is that the music either assists or detracts from the communicative ability of the lyrics. My overall point is that we should judge music by whether it promotes worship in spirit and in truth or whether it detracts. So the internal aspect is THE aspect.
You said: Nevertheless, I believe the means of worship is important as well and we should be careful to not only worship with a correct heart attitude, but in a correct manner as well.
My point is if music accomplishes A, that it has accomplished B already.
As to the art example, I reread the illustration and now I having trouble seeing the connection between what you said and what Ben said...
Also, as to authorial intention, I just don't see how that's a big issue. It's not very important for me to understand what Debussy meant when he wrote his music. By nature music without lyrics can communicate strong emotions but not much by way of propositions. One can be sad the Vikings lost and one can be sad over their sin. Perhaps the same song would express both their emotions appropriately without lyrics.
Enjoy for the discourse,
- Matt
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