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Having a mult-cultural church? You'll have to define that. I worked at a secular college that was all about "diversity" and "multi-culturalism". I'm sure you can guess what they were all about.
Is this where people that come from different cultures can each do their own thing?
Is this where people that come from different cultures do a little of their own and a little of the others?
I will say this, if it is a meaningful expression of serious things, I think we can have an appreciation for those of other cultures. If we try to express their sentiments ourselves, it will be a cheap imitation because we do not have the same sensibilities.
And what culture, specifically, are you talking about? Are you trying to incorporate the good high culture from zimbabwe and from europe? Are you trying to incorporate hip-hop 'culture' and country/western 'culture'?
I know that Justin and I are talking about two different things. That's why I suggested we define things a little better.
Defining culture as the manifestation of one's religion is absolutely the best definition in my mind. Can you give me any reason why it doesn't work?
Finally, did the pagans who came to join Israel in the worship of Jehovah bring their own methods? Did Israel cater to their culture so that they could be "ministered to"?
In the new testament, did the Greeks and barbarians that were saved maintain their cultural expressions in worship, or did they have to give them up and do what the church was doing? And is it not true that the church's music was very much like Israel's music for a very long time? I'm not saying that the music Israel used is all that can ever be used. There are advances in culture, and then there are degenerations. Once we have the right framework in place of what culture is and does, and once we understand the relationship between man and God, I think it becomes fairly easy to discern what the advances are and what the degenerations are.
As is obvious to anyone, I am still working through these things in my own mind. This is good to talk about.
Posted by lilrabbi to εις επαινον δοξης αυτου at 8:21 AM
Having a mult-cultural church? You'll have to define that. I worked at a secular college that was all about "diversity" and "multi-culturalism". I'm sure you can guess what they were all about.
Is this where people that come from different cultures can each do their own thing?
Is this where people that come from different cultures do a little of their own and a little of the others?
I will say this, if it is a meaningful expression of serious things, I think we can have an appreciation for those of other cultures. If we try to express their sentiments ourselves, it will be a cheap imitation because we do not have the same sensibilities.
And what culture, specifically, are you talking about? Are you trying to incorporate the good high culture from zimbabwe and from europe? Are you trying to incorporate hip-hop 'culture' and country/western 'culture'?
I know that Justin and I are talking about two different things. That's why I suggested we define things a little better.
Defining culture as the manifestation of one's religion is absolutely the best definition in my mind. Can you give me any reason why it doesn't work?
Finally, did the pagans who came to join Israel in the worship of Jehovah bring their own methods? Did Israel cater to their culture so that they could be "ministered to"?
In the new testament, did the Greeks and barbarians that were saved maintain their cultural expressions in worship, or did they have to give them up and do what the church was doing? And is it not true that the church's music was very much like Israel's music for a very long time? I'm not saying that the music Israel used is all that can ever be used. There are advances in culture, and then there are degenerations. Once we have the right framework in place of what culture is and does, and once we understand the relationship between man and God, I think it becomes fairly easy to discern what the advances are and what the degenerations are.
As is obvious to anyone, I am still working through these things in my own mind. This is good to talk about.
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